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Post by tdrivertom on Feb 5, 2012 9:46:29 GMT -5
All this squabbling and bickering back and forth regarding the "hacking of the Ninety-Nine Percent Declaration Facebook page and the shakeup with the "board," has left me a bit puzzled and concerned.
By then, what do I know? I was one of the early "beneficiaries" of Michael Pollok's ban on people he disagreed with. I still can not post to either Facebook page... Ninety-Nine Percent Declaration or The99declaration.org. Supposedly Michael P has "stepped down," and others now control or act as the "admin" on the Facebook page The99declaration.org Yet, Michael P's policy of banning me persists.
First of all, some of the confusion that is being perpetuated here stems from the fact that there are 2 (TWO) Facebook pages. It has always been my understanding that one page, The Ninety-Nine Percent Declaration, was Michael Pollok's personal page. How can he hack is own page? The other Facebook page, The99declaration.org is the group page where most of the general discussions have been taking place. Then, not to confuse things more (as if they aren't already), there is/was the other group page the 99% Declaration, which I believe may have been taken totally private now or taken down all together. No wonder confusion abounds.
Again I will address this to anyone, but more specifically to Michael Hendricks, since he seems to be the one appointed to admin this Forum. What is the purpose of posting the running "debate" over the hacking of the FB page? Do you think you are somehow doing justice to the 99 Percent Declaration by keeping that garbage up? You level accusations at Karlie Cole and she counters by saying that you are close to being "banned" from this Forum. Way to grow the membership here.
You are making it exceedingly more easy for me to move on and resume my previous schedules and not make the 99 Percent Declaration any part of my life whatsoever. For the last time everyone... GET YOUR FECES COAGLULATED!
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Post by hendrimike on Feb 5, 2012 10:12:22 GMT -5
Tom, I don't even know where to begin, but I will try to keep it simple: 1. There are 3 Facebook Pages and hopefully they will all be consolidated soon. 2. Michael Pollok has resigned from the board and facilitation. The Ninety-Nine Declaration Personal Page (which shouldn't be personal or represented by MP) had to be made known was being misrepresented by someone know longer in the group at that capacity where they could make public statements for us. Michael Pollok has his own personal page here: www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1365475170 and set up the 99 declaration page as a personal page, not his personal page. Big difference. The 99 Declaration "Personal" page was made using the99declaration@gmail.com address and he changed all passwords to block access to people still on the board when the board and all the people involved in this group are the owners of the 99 declaration name. 3. People have been up in arms for a place to go to post whatever they want in regards to the movement. Here it is. It is not my job to delete threads based on what you think is a valid topic or not. 4. Karlie Cole is not an admin on this page and can't ban anyone on here. I am not the only Admin as well. Look it up. 5. I am letting people know that our Facebook page is being represented by someone no longer in the group on any committee level and that is fraud and they should act accordingly. I cannot help where the conversation goes from there. 6. I don't accuse anything. I have stated nothing but facts on these pages. If they come out as accusations then I am not doing a good job because accusations are just comments while I have the truth to back it up. 7. If you want to move on because of this, go for it.
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Post by tdrivertom on Feb 5, 2012 10:42:30 GMT -5
"7. If you want to move on because of this, go for it." ~Michael Hendricks
Be careful what you suggest, Michael. You may be unpleasantly surprised that I won't be the only one,
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Post by hendrimike on Feb 5, 2012 10:50:55 GMT -5
Just stating that nobody is holding you back from doing whatever you want to do, Tom. We can only do what we can do. And you can't please everyone. You can just try and please as many as possible. Those unpleased shouldn't hold themselves in a place where they are unhappy.
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Post by cowtownmark on Feb 5, 2012 11:46:19 GMT -5
This may be my first post here - not big on discussion boards but will try to learn. Agree that all the negativity has been counterproductive, TD, but things are seemingly moving forward. According to what I've seen over the past couple of weeks and now last couple of days, the ship should be pulling back out of port after being refitted and tuned up. Will probably take a week or more to get all the bugs worked out and get back up to cruising speed, but it looks like we might actually make it.
Glad to see you still/back here...
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Post by rap on Feb 7, 2012 4:55:49 GMT -5
Nicely quoted tdrivertom "7. If you want to move on because of this, go for it." ~Michael Hendricks
That's what the discontented should have done for the good of all us poor sheeples who want this movement to succeed.
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Post by hendrimike on Feb 7, 2012 8:04:05 GMT -5
I'm being taken out of context and explained myself in the next post since it was not understood what I meant by my statement. Tell me Ralph, what is your point here? Is it to make false statements and attack a group? What committee are you on? Are you running for delegate? I would hope so. You know, you come on here and on FB and just start ripping me and others when you don't know the story. I will not stand the personal attacks. We have a list of guidelines. Follow them like everyone else: the99declaration.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=1
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Post by rap on Feb 7, 2012 20:09:27 GMT -5
I am careful to follow the same guidelines that the new power elite follow, no more no less. I helped in a small way write those guidelines. I take on the persons who have taken on MP and Karlie, and I'm proud to do so. And it is really none of your business how I am involved with 99%declaration. I also try to make my posts and comments extremely clear so as not to be easily disputed. "Out of context"? there ya go again.
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Post by peedropaula on Feb 7, 2012 20:38:39 GMT -5
Whether or not you agree with the decisions that have been made and the actions that have been taken, MP is out. He is no longer on the Board of Directors or serving as the attorney for the organization. Finances have been audited by a professional and are in good order, donor funds have been received, new accounts are being set up, and by-laws are being written. Michael's vision and the plan, however, are moving forward. This is fact and wishing it was different will not change it.
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Post by karliecole on Feb 7, 2012 21:13:41 GMT -5
The means in which that was what resulted were out of alignment with a central tenet of the 99D: to remove money from the influence of choosing our leaders.
Those "facts" could be considered ill-gotten gains.
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Post by oh99 on Feb 8, 2012 17:55:24 GMT -5
tdrivertom..great post.
"By then, what do I know? I was one of the early "beneficiaries" of Michael Pollok's ban on people he disagreed with. I still can not post to either Facebook page... Ninety-Nine Percent Declaration or The99declaration.org. Supposedly Michael P has "stepped down," and others now control or act as the "admin" on the Facebook page The99declaration.org Yet, Michael P's policy of banning me persists."
I am a beneficiary as well. I also agree, it seems like his policy is still in place.
Today is my first day and first time posting here, from what I have been reading so far, I fear, it is possible that, we were running from a river and end up falling into an ocean.
""7. If you want to move on because of this, go for it." ~Michael Hendricks
Be careful what you suggest, Michael. You may be unpleasantly surprised that I won't be the only one,"
Certainly, you will NOT be the only one. Those words reminded me of what MP told me "take it or leave it and do something else"
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Post by hendrimike on Feb 8, 2012 18:09:11 GMT -5
Again, I was just saying that you can't please everyone. Not good riddance. I apologize if it came out wrong. Just saying that nobody has to be here if they don't like it. They can also join a committee to make change. W are all doing our best and we are all volunteers.
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Post by amadeus on Feb 8, 2012 18:12:44 GMT -5
For so long, the people of this group have been stymied in their desire to say what was in their hearts because they saw their neighbor's comments, grievances, and suggestions simply deleted. Now that the block to that pendulum has been removed, it has swung the other direction into the arena of everyone voicing the opinions that have been so long cooped up. In time, I feel that it will settle down again and once everyone decides to get busy and get back to work, the progress of the group dynamic will move at a faster pace, and show more results than ever before.
For those of you that had no grievances with the old way of doing things, there is work to be done. For those of you that did have grievances with the way things used to be, please get it off your chest, and do what you came to do. We still need delegates, publicity, and publicity. Let's see if we can start rolling this ball back up the spiral.
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Post by oh99 on Feb 8, 2012 18:15:44 GMT -5
"Just saying that nobody has to be here if they don't like it."
That's a solution, therefore people...if you don't like the way the country is running, move to another country.
If you don't like what the corporations are doing, start your own corporation.
If you don't like what the banks are doing. Open your own bank.
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Post by hendrimike on Feb 8, 2012 18:31:20 GMT -5
Please volunteer to join a committee and propose a change. We are all volunteers. I certainly am not the spokesman for the group as well, thankfully. I'm not good at being politically correct.
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