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Post by karliecole on Feb 4, 2012 6:59:40 GMT -5
The donor's list of demands expands hourly. So many strings I lost count. Basically the donor would like us to hand them over the 99% Declaration in exchange for $18,000. The 99D is worth way more than that already.
Michael is perhaps having a tantrum - but it is a righteous one to protect what so many have worked for.
Thank you Danie for your clarity. I actually emailed the donor several days ago and asked them not to do this - and to read your heartfelt posts and your commitment to meeting the match. I asked the donor not to do this to Danie and all those she represents who are members, voters and candidates with the 99D. That the donor persists in these tactics anyway - proved to me that what I suspected was correct.
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Post by danieclarke on Feb 4, 2012 7:15:23 GMT -5
Dear Supporters .... remember the volunteers / nitpickers and the board / bored are here to serve US.... they are not here to serve themselves.. I pray they will get over their ego's and personalities for the betterment of our country.. they surely won't go down in history and if they do it will have been in a spirit of infighting which supposidly is everything they vollunteered to stop in the senate, congress and presidency... ... Give them time and stay with this and pray.. and hopefully the good people will succeed while the naysayers will be shoved out the door to the streets where they belong.. hugs love Danielle Clarke a supporter since october 20th 2011...
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Post by tdrivertom on Feb 4, 2012 11:35:05 GMT -5
FOR THE LAST TIME... WILL SOME ADULT ON THE FORUM DELETE THIS ENTIRE THREAD, "Facebook Page Hacked?"
This entire "conversation" doesn't belong here or on Facebook or anywhere! It reminds me of a school yard brawl. Somebody wants to take their bat and ball home because they can't be the captain of the team. You all are wasting valuable time and energy! Way to "take back America." Why don't you all privately e-mail each other and work out your differences. I'm more turned off by what I'm seeing than I've ever been. You might have hit a new low!
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Post by The 99 Declaration on Feb 4, 2012 11:37:59 GMT -5
This page will not be deleted as it is the reason the forums were created. For better or worse, this is the history of the group. If the people want to talk about it in email, so be it. If not, here it is for them to do.
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Post by tdrivertom on Feb 4, 2012 12:36:55 GMT -5
THIS ENTIRE THREAD NEEDS TO BE TAKEN DOWN IMMEDIATELY!
Will some adult please take charge of the situation? This "conversation"should not be posted here or on Facebook or anywhere! How is it helping to move things forward? Why don't you all call each other, or arrange a time to meet on Skype to air out your differences?
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Post by The 99 Declaration on Feb 4, 2012 12:50:09 GMT -5
Tom, reiterating your position does not make it seem like a more valid point. This forum was created for people to discuss whatever they please as it relates to the movement. We all have the ability to use the things you say, but some choose not to go that route. Censoring them is not going to be a good answer to that. The people need a place to go to talk about what they want to talk about...whether you think it is relevant or not.
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Post by peneloperose on Feb 4, 2012 14:13:32 GMT -5
I do too Paula. I am hoping we can recover quickly from this, stronger and better. I wrote the following and have been applying it to some emails, as well as my status: If we do not act correctly and with integrity If we use strong arm tactics If we allow ourselves to even consider, that the ends justify the means Then we become the very thing we are endeavoring to correct And we have no right to say we represent anyone, much less the 99 % Amen to that. I dislike the strong arm tactics of the disgruntled volnteers to take over.. I do not know the inner workings or discussions but i have had private discssions with james and eventually i got some from Karlie and well it seemed to me James was upset over an ego isse.. i asked him to bend which he said nooo way.. his point of view was more important than the whole organization.. i would hope he not be allowed back with any power to manipulate people as he has spent endless hors doing on his private FB.. This project is bigger than any of us and if people here think they deserve to get their way over that then they need to go asap and don't ever come back.. The actions were and are not those of a few disgruntled volunteers, but rather the legal actions of the board and facilitation committee. I repeat, if not here, than in other venues, that I have defended Michael Pollok many times, and refused to consider his removal. But his actions have damaged the movement, as well as hamstrung us in taking any steps to further the mission. IMO and that of some others, Mr Pollok has abused his position, as has Karlie. They have both deliberately acted in opposition to the Board and Facilitation Committee, which have the voice of the people behind them. If you are only listening to the points of view of two people you cannot make an informed judgement.
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Post by peneloperose on Feb 4, 2012 14:41:06 GMT -5
Dear Supporters .... remember the volunteers / nitpickers and the board / bored are here to serve US.... they are not here to serve themselves.. I pray they will get over their ego's and personalities for the betterment of our country.. they surely won't go down in history and if they do it will have been in a spirit of infighting which supposidly is everything they vollunteered to stop in the senate, congress and presidency... ... Give them time and stay with this and pray.. and hopefully the good people will succeed while the naysayers will be shoved out the door to the streets where they belong.. hugs love Danielle Clarke a supporter since october 20th 2011... The only ego we need to get past is that of Michael Pollok, who appears to believe and acts as though his is the only permissible voice in operations and decisions. At ANY suggestion or decision that varies one iota from the original plan, which most people back - and this is supposed to be a peoples movement is it not - he makes threats and has tantrums and does what he chooses anyway. Not the acts of: of the people, by the people, for the people, by any stretch of the imagination. I repeat, if you will only listen to 2 people - both of whom believe that one is infallible, you will have only their biased views. It is impossible to make an informed judgment based on 2 coinciding views.
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Post by David Mauriello a.k.a.Diamond on Feb 4, 2012 14:54:52 GMT -5
The donor has agreed to wire Michael Pollak the money with the stipulation he not spend it on whatever he likes and that legally the board decides where the money goes. He has resigned, so any disbursement of funds would be totally inappropriate at this time.
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Post by peneloperose on Feb 4, 2012 15:11:10 GMT -5
The donor has agreed to wire Michael Pollak the money with the stipulation he not spend it on whatever he likes and that legally the board decides where the money goes. He has resigned, so any disbursement of funds would be totally inappropriate at this time. dang i knew there was something i forgot to mention thanks Dia
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Post by karliecole on Feb 4, 2012 15:24:42 GMT -5
Bizarre characterization - especially since MP is damned if he does or damned if he doesn't and the donor keeps changing their demands.
I am not obstructing or opposing the board except in that I will not turn over the site to anyone at this time. Voter, member and candidate data is being kept secure as that is my duty to the 99D - to not let hot heads take it down yet again.
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Post by hendrimike on Feb 4, 2012 15:27:45 GMT -5
Karlie, you are not a member of the board. How can you make that decision to hold the website up like this?
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Post by forbesmb on Feb 4, 2012 15:28:57 GMT -5
Karlie,
Just as a measure of clarity... if the Board has majority consensus for the site to be opened up to a new (or additional) webmaster, how does your holding onto the effective "property" help the issue?
It's not meant as a criticism; rather, it seems counter-productive to the overall goals of the 99D to take such action. When someone states, "holding the page hostage", they are, effectively, being truthful... I'm getting you don't to be perceived in that manner, but try to look at it from the outside.
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Post by karliecole on Feb 4, 2012 15:32:19 GMT -5
My experience thus far has been that there is an incredibly hostile environment toward anyone who actually does anything and a preference for endless debate - revising every detail over and over but actually doing little. Then if someone does something - they are accused of unilateral decision-making. If a contract is negotiated, or god forbid signed, if a PR contact made and a deal is in the offing - someone gets incensed that they were not consulted prior to that action being taken. No matter that the action itself benefited the 99D. And those doing it are not offering improved actions - only insisting that no action be taken without endless discussion and their approval. It is no way to get anything done. I contended from the beginning that if we were to be able to do this, we would have to stay task focused and make the debates about the grievances. Instead the debate is endless on the tasks and we stand frozen unable to move at all.
The donor has made multiple proposals that have also had this affect - debate rather than action. Why a donor would have any opportunity to propose their own agenda when the donation is being held makes no sense to me at all. Money used to manipulate agenda is what we are trying to get away from.
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Post by hendrimike on Feb 4, 2012 15:39:18 GMT -5
You did not answer the questions brought before you.
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