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Post by peneloperose on Feb 3, 2012 23:00:45 GMT -5
"My time at the last meeting to discuss the site was overtaken by your reading of the donor's statement Penelope so if I did so the next thing would be someone accusing me of acting unilaterally by doing something."
That is a blatant lie. You had 3 opportunities to speak. Once on your Committee report, and twice (which no one else had opportunity to do) at the end of the meeting for additional comments. Each time you chose to address other issues.
The meeting came to a screeching - and i do mean screeching by MP - halt when i attempted to read the letter written by the donor to address the issues the donor had.
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Post by peneloperose on Feb 3, 2012 23:10:00 GMT -5
Michael Jude if you are here, call me please.
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Post by karliecole on Feb 4, 2012 1:07:14 GMT -5
Not stonewalling Tom - trying to protect the site from those who might take it down. Lots of turmoil as you can see.
Again people are saying it can't be done instead of doing it. That will make it impossible. Sorry if the motto offends. At least 2 weeks lost again on the doubt.
The Group Page was changed so only admins can post - that was a board/facilitation decision. I've tried to check on the "Like" page but cannot tell who is on there and who is not because of how FB does it.
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Post by karliecole on Feb 4, 2012 1:09:45 GMT -5
Screeching halt because the donor should not be pushing their agenda tied to their donation. We wouldn't tolerate it from a lobbying group, a corporation or union - nor should we from an "anonymous" donor.
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Post by karliecole on Feb 4, 2012 1:18:42 GMT -5
I did not get my time for Committee report. I did have comments to offer on other items that related to the website so yes I did speak at least 2 other times. I had a fairly complete proposal to share and waited my turn.
Please do not accuse me of lying. There's been quite enough of that around here of late. Unless you plan to provide evidence (the call) backing your accusation you should not make it as it gives the accused no option to defend.
In this country, last I recall, people are innocent until proven guilty.
The accusation of lying has been so often repeated without evidence and often without even the scenario in question presented that people begin to believe it just because it is repeated so much. That is a huge part of what is taking the 99D down.
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Post by karliecole on Feb 4, 2012 1:22:03 GMT -5
There are 869 different forms of lying, but only one of them has been squarely forbidden. Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor. - Following the Equator; Pudd'nhead Wilson's New Calendar
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Post by karliecole on Feb 4, 2012 1:22:28 GMT -5
A lie can travel halfway round the world while the truth is putting on its shoes. - This quote has been attributed to Mark Twain, but it has never been verified as originating with Twain. This quote may have originated with Charles Haddon Spurgeon (1834-92) who attributed it to an old proverb in a sermon delivered on Sunday morning, April 1, 1855 . Spurgeon was a celebrated English fundamentalist Baptist preacher. His words were: "A lie will go round the world while truth is pulling its boots on."
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Post by karliecole on Feb 4, 2012 1:23:08 GMT -5
The accusation of lying is the lie here.
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Post by danieclarke on Feb 4, 2012 6:01:15 GMT -5
Yes, Karlie, I've seen several polls since mid-November when I joined the group, but I've seen many more unilateral decisions made my Michael not to mention silencing the voice of the members by repeated deletions of posts and comments. Danie, you yourself were calling on Michael to resign two weeks ago for the good of the group. What changed your mind? I never asked him to resign however i did say if his resignation would be for the betterment of the group then he should be open to resignation. Look the last contact he had with me he called me a lunatic for copying pasting discussions.. My issue is what is worse at this point! for a few disgruntled volnteers to get their way or for MP to continue and we get the convention and then the delegates take over.
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Post by danieclarke on Feb 4, 2012 6:12:38 GMT -5
I do too Paula. I am hoping we can recover quickly from this, stronger and better. I wrote the following and have been applying it to some emails, as well as my status: If we do not act correctly and with integrity If we use strong arm tactics If we allow ourselves to even consider, that the ends justify the means Then we become the very thing we are endeavoring to correct And we have no right to say we represent anyone, much less the 99 % Amen to that. I dislike the strong arm tactics of the disgruntled volnteers to take over.. I do not know the inner workings or discussions but i have had private discssions with james and eventually i got some from Karlie and well it seemed to me James was upset over an ego isse.. i asked him to bend which he said nooo way.. his point of view was more important than the whole organization.. i would hope he not be allowed back with any power to manipulate people as he has spent endless hors doing on his private FB.. This project is bigger than any of us and if people here think they deserve to get their way over that then they need to go asap and don't ever come back..
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Post by danieclarke on Feb 4, 2012 6:15:45 GMT -5
THIS IS NUTS! I would take down all of these comments immediately from this forum. What's the point of airing out all your dirty laundry here. If any visitors or outsiders see this kind of crap, they are going to look for the exit button real fast. And to think I was shut out or blocked from commenting on Ninety-Nine Percent's personal FB page... YES that's Michael Pollok's personal page, but I've also been shut out of The99Declaration.org Facebook page. I could have told you this was going to happen, in fact I tried, as long ago as the middle of December. I'm so sick of Karlie Cole's little mantra too... "Those who say it can't be done, should get out of the way of those doing it." She's been stonewalling and apologizing, and defending Michael Pollok's actions for too long. She needs to step out of the way and allow others to share responsibility for maintaining and developing the website. Too much control of anything in the hands of one person is just an invitation to disaster. becase TOM its people like YOU who have talked behind peoples backs that has brought this to this point.. The public is mature enough to understand... you on the other hand have been a behind the scenes gossiper and disrupter
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Post by danieclarke on Feb 4, 2012 6:17:42 GMT -5
Screeching halt because the donor should not be pushing their agenda tied to their donation. We wouldn't tolerate it from a lobbying group, a corporation or union - nor should we from an "anonymous" donor. amen to that
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Post by danieclarke on Feb 4, 2012 6:29:06 GMT -5
again i am an outsider from the volunteers and board and i have only heard from James and Karlie and never from MP except the time he called me a lunatic.. Oh i have had Tom message me wondering if i was on his side which i told him i was on the side of getting things done..
I have been basically a representative of the people / supporters many of who do not even know whats going on here but i am sure want or belive that someone like me would watch and report if anything illegal etc etc was going on which i would if i saw that.
All i have seen is bunch of squabling babies fighting over power or ego's and protesting they don't have passwords or control.. etc etc etc..
The only negative thing i have heard is a misunderstanding of the board about only using nion people to make posters etc.. but that was resolved by MP to me in his lunatic email he sent me.
The only other issue is this donor playing games with donating to gain control or inflence over the board by their offer of 18k.. many people donated to that myself included and i surely wouldn't have donated if i klnew their were strings attached.
So in closing i hope the board gets people to shake hands and MP should come back but thats his choice if he doesn't..
Oh i do believe Karlie has done her best to help keep the site safe and negative statmenst from the volunteers gossiping off it..
If the volunteers want to sign a statement that they will support with a structure and not arge and will come back then great. If not and they want the power from the bottom up well tell them THEY ARE NOT THE BOTTOM BECAUSE ITS THE SUPPORTERS WHO ARE THE BOTTOM... me and the 1,000's of others who don't know what the talking at meetings is about who are the bottom... they the volunteers and the board are only servants to US as the government should be to the people...
now let me see a AMEN to that from all who agree !!!!
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Post by danieclarke on Feb 4, 2012 6:30:05 GMT -5
the pages have been copied pasted 2-4-2012 6:30 am EST
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Post by ambercurran on Feb 4, 2012 6:39:57 GMT -5
So that you know ... the group that is at odds with Michael were recruited from the FB pages that you all use. We are basically you guys but happened to be around early enough to be involved with committees. This is not about the Donor wanting influence. This is about the Donor wanting proof and assurances the money will be spent as planned. Michael is having another tantrum. I saw him threaten to quit three prior times on the FB pages before I even got involved. I got involved because I was concerned that those tantrums would lead to the end of the 99D. I was right to be concerned.
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