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Post by hendrimike on Jan 31, 2012 14:46:48 GMT -5
I think the main ideas on the Declaration should just have to do with ending the corporate state and then getting term limits installed. Some of the other suggestions right now seem to be politically dividing and the ones about corporate control seem to be bipartisan. In my opinion
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Post by cdb123 on Feb 3, 2012 10:57:04 GMT -5
Hey I think that is a good suggestion. I favor a more broad approach where a lot more people can support. I believe the current problem is systemic and needs to be tackled from all fronts. We have environmental, economical, representative governmental such as corruption and so on. So I d say use that as a starting ground. I mean it's tough to argue against having a safe and clean environment. If you get to specific about policy then most likely there will be a division.
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Post by forbesmb on Feb 3, 2012 18:27:37 GMT -5
The issues upon which almost everyone agrees are good stepping stones for the remainder of the grievances. If we try to tackle each of the issues, you're right, we're going to be divided along ideological lines and we won't be near any sort of solution by the time July rolls around.
Honestly, if we examine the issues, removing corporate personhood and eliminating corporate political influence will actually provide us with the stepping stones to more easily reach solutions for other issues. Quite a few of our proposed grievances deal with subjects that have become problematic due to corporations pushing certain legislation to better benefit themselves.
Kill the head, as the old adage goes... remove the ability for powered interests to dictate our policies and we can begin to build better ones.
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Post by christophercarney on Feb 3, 2012 23:15:40 GMT -5
Don't forget Federal Reserve and banking reform. These two alone affect at least half the grievances.
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Post by forbesmb on Feb 5, 2012 12:55:48 GMT -5
Agreed, Christopher.
Corporate Personhood, corporate political influence, campaign financing laws, and the Fed/Bank reforming, maybe the Tax reform, as well... those all have various direct and indirect influences over the other grievances.
A greater focus on those would reduce the overall workload for the delegates and allow us to present a very direct and concise list of grievances, all with realistic, viable solutions. If we succeed, even in part, with that attempt, we can begin to push the other grievances.
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Post by webe1954 on Feb 5, 2012 14:52:06 GMT -5
I have found that if I have a list of chores that I need to do, it helps to tackle and complete one job and then move on to the other. Otherwise I end up scattered all around and never really accomplish anything.
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Post by blake on Feb 7, 2012 2:41:18 GMT -5
Kelo v. City of New London I would like to propose a new Grievance to reinstate our property rights. I move that we demand the complete abrogation of the Kelo v. City of New London Supreme Court decision. We as citizens of this great country should not lose our property merely because another potential land owner may produce more tax revenue. The 1% should not be able to force the sale of property through the use Federal or State governmental pressure. The promise of future taxes should not absolve our property rights. We the 99% understand the need for eminent domain for public works, but taxation is not a public work. When the Government forces the sale of land it should only do so for purposes of the public good. If we do not have the ability to refuse the call to sale then we have no property rights at all. Ownership should be a permanent state that can only be revoked by the owner and not by the lure of increase taxation.
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