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Post by hendrimike on Feb 9, 2012 19:56:49 GMT -5
the donor asked that michael step aside, not step down, and to let others be involved in the process of decision making and not going about doing things on his own. they also asked that finances be made transparent.
a donor can withdraw a donation before it is made if they are uncomfortable with how the group is being run.
and the donor is not on the board
and your polls on the website are ridiculous, and not approved by committee.
and you should step away from the control panel and hand over all that you have that you are holding hostage.
woop-woop!
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Post by nanettejw on Feb 9, 2012 20:19:53 GMT -5
Babble - Babble - take a look - you finally sound like an old book... no one is reading so you stomp your foot - poor little Babble - Babble - take a look - no one cares what you have to say - guess more would wish you away - but nay - in the end you will have your say - Babble Babble - take a look - you are the only one listening to you we've all given up on your game. Poor little Babble -Babble take a look - you & MP finally will have your way.... victorious for today... trying to chase everyone else away. But Babble - Babble - take another look - no matter what you say, the rest of us are here to stay
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Post by nanettejw on Feb 9, 2012 20:23:54 GMT -5
MH - sometimes the only way to snuff out a fire is to pour sand or water on it - or just leave it alone and will burn its self out... In other words there are some that just like to babble and they talk for the sake of hearing themselves talk (or type) - trying to stir up trouble - the more you feed the animals the hungrier they get. May I suggest that you make your statements general instead of addressing the fire - let the fire burn out... as someone once said to me here - just the facts ma'am..
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Post by hendrimike on Feb 9, 2012 20:55:00 GMT -5
i prefer to say ma'am
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Post by nanettejw on Feb 9, 2012 21:05:00 GMT -5
LOL thanks how come you didn't catch the "poor" instead of pour? Ha Ha I caught and fixed it all my my self -
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Post by rap on Feb 9, 2012 21:37:10 GMT -5
Personalities Karlie. Pure and simple. The squables of the rebellious are so unfounded that it boggles my imagination. And now they can not deal with those of us who find their actions absolutely deplorable and destructive of the movement. I need to research who Amadeus is in mythology - must have been some sort of god, and a devout follower of some goddess.
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Post by sandymiracle on Feb 9, 2012 21:43:43 GMT -5
Michael, please back up what you say with docs or links if you expect to be believed. Too much lying has gone on to Take anyone's word as fact without proof. As is the Nature of the internet. Links or GTFO as they say. I'm curious also as to why Karli's poll has to be "committee approved?" is the Facebook page only for propaganda, as you have suggested in the past? If so, why are those of us who are already "in" even monitoring it? We don't need converting. We need to be discussing ARRANGING A CONFERENCE AND GATHERING DELEGATES AND VOTERS. Instead, we're bickering over who controls what and who is allowed to speak our "message."
Many members don't even KNOW about the political party suggested in point 6 of the plan. You have mixed messages being put out because you are focused on the wrong message. Try changing the message to "come! Discuss! Say what you will, but be prepared for a vigorous vetting of your facts before they are accepted, and be prepared to be trolled off the board if you are caught lying and ignored if you become childish or your words have no merit." then let the people say what they will. It TAKES LONGER. But we are no longer on schedule anyway, and it's foolish to attempt to complete this in a couple of months, especially with the rocky start Micheal ensured. A fail will just embarrass us further. We need to be better than the congress and executive system currently in place because we can take a collective step back, regroup, and admit we started under the direction of someone without the expertise and vision to do this RIGHT. Then we need to recruit that talent and show them we trust them enough to listen to them and allow their well reasoned logical arguments our ears and our amplifying voices.
Then we will have the respect of OWS, anons, and the public.
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Post by sandymiracle on Feb 9, 2012 21:52:50 GMT -5
And as for you, rap... You're reaching troll status sir. I move you be ignored until you SAY something. You've made logical contributions before... Please, let's go back to that. Just randomly calling names is a waste of energy. We value your active discussion...you're welcome to just rant, but I'll be ignoring anything not based in fact or logic because there isn't any substance to respond...
Nannette... I get you lost your temper... Let's try not to. It takes time, but if logic is uncensored, and reason revered, and her champions steadfast and willing to keep offering docs and discussion the truth will always prevail.
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Post by rap on Feb 9, 2012 22:02:07 GMT -5
sandym, Accused falsely of trolling, know that I will respond in like kind to attacks upon me. Oh, and njw-c just lost her temper. I see enough smoke penetrated. Is there some particular office or committee that you represent to make such pronouncements? Yes might be good to finally see the results of the "rearrangement" Who is who and what is what. Penn might be the logical choice to present it. Time is rapidly running out.
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Post by hendrimike on Feb 9, 2012 22:08:38 GMT -5
the donor asked that michael step aside, not step down, and to let others be involved in the process of decision making and not going about doing things on his own. they also asked that finances be made transparent. (although it says step down, the donor claims that mp could stay on as silent partner, still a member of the board) "I was very clear. The donor did not "reneg" on the match. Rather, i conveyed to Michael that the match was conditional upon His stepping back and allowing the group's directive to guide the future. The match would have come if he stepped down, as the group conscience had demanded, let the rest of our very capable leadership take over, and allowed the Project to go forward with him as a silent partner, but not in a decision making position. In the end, there is no support of an effort where group conscience does not prevail. The match money will be directed to a vehicle where Democracy, inclusion, free speech, education and healing are the order of the day. Michael's 99% Declaration is not that vehicle. I hope together we find something that is." (other emails talk about how financial transparency were needed) a donor can withdraw a donation before it is made if they are uncomfortable with how the group is being run. and the donor is not on the board (i cannot prove this without violating the request of the donor to remain anonymous) and your polls on the website are ridiculous, and not approved by committee. (we have committees that work on this stuff. karlie posting as the99declaration is not approved anymore. she can post it herself if she wants, no prob) and you should step away from the control panel and hand over all that you have that you are holding hostage. woop-woop! Read more: the99declaration.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=59&page=6#ixzz1lwb8GKz6
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Post by sandymiracle on Feb 9, 2012 22:13:30 GMT -5
No, rap I said you were trolling because you posted a series of nonsensical, angry posts directed generally at everyone with no solutions to add. Nannette posted one angry rant. Neither was a good thing. Neither is me having to explain this to you. Open boards with no censorship means you are the only one responsible for your words. No one will stop you from being an asshat if that is what you choose to be. If enough people are asshats, they will just ineffectually babble to themselves. The board will be a laughing stock. No one respects the Westboro Baptist Church, and they are allowed to speak until they are blue in the face because they are just trolling. No facts, no logic, just hateful speech.
I was pointing out that your speech also had no logic, and giving you my opinion of its worth, and encouraging you to go back to the logic I saw you display at one point. Nothing personal.
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Post by sandymiracle on Feb 9, 2012 22:27:24 GMT -5
Michael, if you expect to be believed as far as the donor, please screenshot the emails you are referring to. Use paint and black the "secret" info out if you will. Doxing the donor is under consideration anyway. Honestly the donor situation is just a symptom of the transparency problem. Michael being on the board as a "silent partner" and you telling me he is "gone" with "nothing to do with the 99%Declaration" creates a bigger problem. You flat out LIED to me. No statement was issued. He still reprensents us, and apparently he is still on the board. In some capacity. Or something. Sketchy. And then Dan used that lie to tell me I "had my answer" and should defer to people who had been here "longer" and delete an block me from the Facebook page for telling him that the answer you gave me was insufficient. Now the story comes out that it wasn't just insufficient (no docs) you are now saying something totally different. (albeit STILL with no docs)
What are we supposed to believe at this point?
How about what you can PROVE.
Docs or GTFO.
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Post by hendrimike on Feb 9, 2012 22:38:59 GMT -5
what's your email address?
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Post by hendrimike on Feb 9, 2012 22:40:01 GMT -5
that email was from a while back. mp is in no way a member of this organization anymore. i will send you what you need.
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Post by hendrimike on Feb 9, 2012 22:44:41 GMT -5
mp could not handle just being another vote on the board and quit and took his toys home with him.
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