Post by sandymiracle on Feb 9, 2012 3:13:37 GMT -5
I feel the need to address several issues. While I have learned that several posing as admins and "leaders" aren't even bothering to READ this thread at all, I know some of you are. This post is long because I am trying to be clear. Call me a liar if you want. I expect LINKS OR DOCS in your rebuttal of what I have to say, unless you are merely voicing an OPINION. Truth outweighs supposition, conjecture and bluster.
I am not a new person or a person sitting idly by complaining. I have been very active in attempting to steer the course of the 99% Declaration movement since we were an OWS working group. I have given a significant amount of personal cash and time to the project. I have chosen to keep my full identity to myself because I am STILL helping.
Believe that or don't, it's irrelevant who I am. Only what I SAY and LINK matters here. It's true, or it's not.
If you plan to say that it's not, I suggest you offer some evidence.
The 99% Declaration members, because of your fierce, often blind loyalty to the CAUSE tend to betray ONE ANOTHER the moment criticism is offered, not realizing that failure to address the concerns COMPLETELY of your membership and deleting their words will damage you far more in the long term than accepting error and correcting it.
Everyone takes screen caps and prints of everything.
Nothing can be deleted.
When you delete posts, and the poster has a screen cap of your deletion, their message will still get out. It may take longer, but when it does it will have far more weight because you HID IT.
No manner of explanation excuses censorship because it assumes your reader base is too stupid to know a troll from a legitimate post, and it assumes your reader base is too stupid to google you and find the screen caps that any seriously upset banned user will post. I assure you, they are not that stupid. So far, the general consensus is that the 99% Declaration is a mildly interesting future failure. If it grows into a serious challenge to the status quo, be prepared for an investigation which as things stand will be devastating.
If you think that Michael Pollok is "gone," "no longer a problem," or "unimportant," you are wrong. Very wrong.
He has locked you out of communications accounts.
He is still creating posts using your name, and he is getting a nice little scoop on you in terms of press release, because the "new board" and more importantly the MEMBERS of 99% Declaration are silent. I am still shocked that out of 1000 members (supposedly, look how many have forum accounts) so few are actually bothering to read and to mention these issues... Or anything at ALL for that matter...
"Be patient" "all will be revealed eventually" has been the refrain. But in the media world, and online media in particular, timing is critical. Whomever establishes the way Michael left soonest will set the tone.
He has destroyed your reputation with multiple Occupy Wall Street general assemblies by actively slandering OWS on their own board. He has told and been caught in lies around the web on behalf of the 99%Declaration.
The rumblings in IRC suggest that anons are watching this group closely because of its ties to OWS and because of the background and current work of its founder, and that an op is under consideration and a dox investigation may be underway.
If you are not sure what that last means... Well... You should have expected them.
You are not the final boss of the Internet, censor happy admins. And if you get big enough without losing the hypocrisy, I can guarantee you that you will be censored yourselves by the anon hive-mind.
Even after I have met with several separate investigation entities, media and legal this week who have taken interest in the actions of the 99% Deckaration, I am saying and doing the things that I am in an effort to burn away the corruption I see and leave a clean end result that this country can be proud of. I have been as honest as I can be, providing documentation for each claim. Because the truth, not good PR is what matters.
If you haven't noticed, during these revolutionary times the truth IS good PR.
Focusing on who I am and whether I "make some friends here" is silly. This is not a popularity contest. It's a truth telling contest.
The 99% Declaration, under it's current "leadership"(who KNOWS who is in charge or what the rules are around here anymore) as well as its previous, has a lot of in house reform to accomplish before we can hope to tackle the problems of the national and international stage effectively.
Public apologies are needed that reach out to the anonymous network for allowing censorship under the 99 symbol, to individual wronged members, and to OWS for not treating them with the respect they deserve by denouncing Michael Pollok's words against them under your name.
But a most problem 99% Declaration has is the penchant of members and admins to say things in writing which they then blatantly contradict when it suits them and expect the group to be trusted.
Everything is screen cap saved. Lies are pretty obvious, as is obfuscation. Simple change of opinion? SAY THAT. Don't censor posts.
You cannot be both against censorship and use it.
Pick a side, and then let your members decide if they support that side. But you cannot protest censorship within the declaration and use it on your member base. For SWEARING no less?
That is not the illusion of free speech you acclaim in your declaration.
Let the words of a member show their character.
Do NOT try and manipulate public opinion any more through censoring posts.
A main complaint of the 99% of Americans is that our voices are not heard and our wishes and concerns ignored in favor of bringing in profits.
Censoring people so they do not embarrass you and drive away donors is contrary to the spirit of the movement.
Michael Pollok claimed to have been deleted and banned by OWS. He was dox to show that HE deleted the original working group himself and then lied about it.
I have provided a substantial amount of evidence that HE deleted the Facebook page in question. Yet the story that it was attacked and Facebook took it down persists.
You cannot both claim that the 99%Declaration has no political ambition and no political aim, yet have as point six of your six point plan the desire to form a political party to replace members of congress should they ignore the Declaration.
You cannot both demand financial transparency of our government and ban users who suggest that ALL receipts should be clearly disclosed and all spending as well, on writing, in layman's terms, for access by members and non members alike.
You are held to a higher standard than the government designed "laws of the state of New York" you keep insisting you comply with because the entire purpose of the group is to bring to light those laws and expose how vulnerable they leave the system to corruption.
We expect better transparency than your average non profit because you claimed when you signed us up that this was a CHANGE. A better way of doing things. Hiding behind "it's legal" is unacceptable. So are credit default swaps, for closures, and 400% interest rates to the poor, along with unlabeled genetically modified food.
That doesn't make it right.
Not only does the 99% Declaration need to clean up it's ways, you need to make as loud an apology as you need to in order to show people changes have been made.
I am not a new person or a person sitting idly by complaining. I have been very active in attempting to steer the course of the 99% Declaration movement since we were an OWS working group. I have given a significant amount of personal cash and time to the project. I have chosen to keep my full identity to myself because I am STILL helping.
Believe that or don't, it's irrelevant who I am. Only what I SAY and LINK matters here. It's true, or it's not.
If you plan to say that it's not, I suggest you offer some evidence.
The 99% Declaration members, because of your fierce, often blind loyalty to the CAUSE tend to betray ONE ANOTHER the moment criticism is offered, not realizing that failure to address the concerns COMPLETELY of your membership and deleting their words will damage you far more in the long term than accepting error and correcting it.
Everyone takes screen caps and prints of everything.
Nothing can be deleted.
When you delete posts, and the poster has a screen cap of your deletion, their message will still get out. It may take longer, but when it does it will have far more weight because you HID IT.
No manner of explanation excuses censorship because it assumes your reader base is too stupid to know a troll from a legitimate post, and it assumes your reader base is too stupid to google you and find the screen caps that any seriously upset banned user will post. I assure you, they are not that stupid. So far, the general consensus is that the 99% Declaration is a mildly interesting future failure. If it grows into a serious challenge to the status quo, be prepared for an investigation which as things stand will be devastating.
If you think that Michael Pollok is "gone," "no longer a problem," or "unimportant," you are wrong. Very wrong.
He has locked you out of communications accounts.
He is still creating posts using your name, and he is getting a nice little scoop on you in terms of press release, because the "new board" and more importantly the MEMBERS of 99% Declaration are silent. I am still shocked that out of 1000 members (supposedly, look how many have forum accounts) so few are actually bothering to read and to mention these issues... Or anything at ALL for that matter...
"Be patient" "all will be revealed eventually" has been the refrain. But in the media world, and online media in particular, timing is critical. Whomever establishes the way Michael left soonest will set the tone.
He has destroyed your reputation with multiple Occupy Wall Street general assemblies by actively slandering OWS on their own board. He has told and been caught in lies around the web on behalf of the 99%Declaration.
The rumblings in IRC suggest that anons are watching this group closely because of its ties to OWS and because of the background and current work of its founder, and that an op is under consideration and a dox investigation may be underway.
If you are not sure what that last means... Well... You should have expected them.
You are not the final boss of the Internet, censor happy admins. And if you get big enough without losing the hypocrisy, I can guarantee you that you will be censored yourselves by the anon hive-mind.
Even after I have met with several separate investigation entities, media and legal this week who have taken interest in the actions of the 99% Deckaration, I am saying and doing the things that I am in an effort to burn away the corruption I see and leave a clean end result that this country can be proud of. I have been as honest as I can be, providing documentation for each claim. Because the truth, not good PR is what matters.
If you haven't noticed, during these revolutionary times the truth IS good PR.
Focusing on who I am and whether I "make some friends here" is silly. This is not a popularity contest. It's a truth telling contest.
The 99% Declaration, under it's current "leadership"(who KNOWS who is in charge or what the rules are around here anymore) as well as its previous, has a lot of in house reform to accomplish before we can hope to tackle the problems of the national and international stage effectively.
Public apologies are needed that reach out to the anonymous network for allowing censorship under the 99 symbol, to individual wronged members, and to OWS for not treating them with the respect they deserve by denouncing Michael Pollok's words against them under your name.
But a most problem 99% Declaration has is the penchant of members and admins to say things in writing which they then blatantly contradict when it suits them and expect the group to be trusted.
Everything is screen cap saved. Lies are pretty obvious, as is obfuscation. Simple change of opinion? SAY THAT. Don't censor posts.
You cannot be both against censorship and use it.
Pick a side, and then let your members decide if they support that side. But you cannot protest censorship within the declaration and use it on your member base. For SWEARING no less?
That is not the illusion of free speech you acclaim in your declaration.
Let the words of a member show their character.
Do NOT try and manipulate public opinion any more through censoring posts.
A main complaint of the 99% of Americans is that our voices are not heard and our wishes and concerns ignored in favor of bringing in profits.
Censoring people so they do not embarrass you and drive away donors is contrary to the spirit of the movement.
Michael Pollok claimed to have been deleted and banned by OWS. He was dox to show that HE deleted the original working group himself and then lied about it.
I have provided a substantial amount of evidence that HE deleted the Facebook page in question. Yet the story that it was attacked and Facebook took it down persists.
You cannot both claim that the 99%Declaration has no political ambition and no political aim, yet have as point six of your six point plan the desire to form a political party to replace members of congress should they ignore the Declaration.
You cannot both demand financial transparency of our government and ban users who suggest that ALL receipts should be clearly disclosed and all spending as well, on writing, in layman's terms, for access by members and non members alike.
You are held to a higher standard than the government designed "laws of the state of New York" you keep insisting you comply with because the entire purpose of the group is to bring to light those laws and expose how vulnerable they leave the system to corruption.
We expect better transparency than your average non profit because you claimed when you signed us up that this was a CHANGE. A better way of doing things. Hiding behind "it's legal" is unacceptable. So are credit default swaps, for closures, and 400% interest rates to the poor, along with unlabeled genetically modified food.
That doesn't make it right.
Not only does the 99% Declaration need to clean up it's ways, you need to make as loud an apology as you need to in order to show people changes have been made.