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Post by karliecole on Feb 10, 2012 18:51:32 GMT -5
Whatever Amadeus - the change was polled.
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Post by peedropaula on Feb 10, 2012 18:58:19 GMT -5
Just like your bogus poll about whether or not Michael Pollok should resign a full week after he did so?
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Post by rap on Feb 10, 2012 19:09:08 GMT -5
but, but, but I have no trouble seeing who the real culprit is when perusing the facts in the supposed email contents as posted by the incredible researcher njw-c. Is it the swearing you don't like ma'am? Just what is the nature of the man who gets downright angry when he perceives an angry mob of dissenters attempting to destroy his vision?
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Post by nanettejw on Feb 10, 2012 19:34:11 GMT -5
RAP - you have me confused with Sandymiracle and Michael Pollok - the swear words you read in my email came from MP not me - I just posted the email thread - hey aren't you the one that was all about transparency? Well there you go - finally the truth right from MP's mouth - as for the great research on MP - again - that was sandymiracle that did all the research and posted all the links to MP's connections to the cases he defends you know the mafia, murders, child molesters, etc. - Hey they're all entitled to a good defense and MP & Karlie if they keep going as they are they'll both need a good defense attorney too - my guess - MP will defend himself - and you know what they say - a man that serves as his own attorney has fool for client! But then, I'm quite certain you'll jump in your car and go be a witness for him... or wait, no, you'll just bore us all with your ongoing pitty party for poor MP & KC.... Cry me a river...
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Post by amadeus on Feb 10, 2012 20:51:17 GMT -5
Now, if you had the courage to say, "the change was polled AFTER the declaration was changed", that would be a true statement. As you say it, it is just another lie.
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Post by peneloperose on Feb 10, 2012 21:51:47 GMT -5
Also please note Dawn's comment about as she did the review of compliance and finances. "Michael Pollok may be guilty of bad judgement and lack of self control but he did NOT misuse 99 Percent Declaration funds or do anything illegal." I would also ask - how many of you would hold up under the onslaught of personal attacks without losing it on occasion? What Dawn said was that the Corporation was in compliance -( although being owned by some hardwood flooring company in Massapequa makes me wonder) She also said since the financial papers were not complete she could not tell if everything was in compliance there, although with what she did have it seemed to ok. The jury is still out on that one, til all the financials are turned over and investigated... I responded to this before reading Dawn's post on this thread. what i quoted was from her report to the Board and Facilitation Committee, I do not know why she said otherwise in her post here.
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Post by peneloperose on Feb 10, 2012 22:22:16 GMT -5
Hey there Sandy one. That is a very threatening post you have made. I wish we all knew as much about your personal life as you have posted on MPs. But alas you hide like many of the new regime, using excuses to hide a basic lack of matu. No I dasn't say it. It would be considered a personal attack, not a sweet loving endorsement like the one above of the man who gave us all this movement. There is nothing about his personal life in what Sandy posted. It is not wrong that we learn about his professional life since it does relate to the movement. as well as (obviously) being available by an online search - such information is public domain....
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Post by rap on Feb 11, 2012 9:11:46 GMT -5
Yes it's public domain Penn. Lots of things are public domain. And some creeps will dig into a person's public domain and post it and post it and post it. I personally have no problem with the way MP makes his living. But obviously some do. In fact I really do not give a rat's axe about how anyone earns their living. I care about who they are.
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Post by forbesmb on Feb 11, 2012 10:09:37 GMT -5
Not to sidetrack the varied conversations within the thread, but...
If MP and the Board are now two separate, unconnected entities, then when can we stop bitching about who was right and who was wrong and start working on where we go next?
Are we going to pursue an election of delegates and a National General Assembly or are we going to become the "Let's argue about the merits and flaws of Michael Pollok" working group?
Just sayin'.
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Post by nanettejw on Feb 11, 2012 10:22:29 GMT -5
Unfortunately with Michael Pollok threatening lawsuits my guess is that both efforts will come to halt until a judge can rule on who has legal custody of the baby known as the 99%D - I have a letter showing his resignation and now he is trying to regain control - for me this is now a LOST CAUSE! I am moving on a more productive use of my time and energy - like effecting true change through a Constitutional Convention - which actually puts the power of the government back in the hands of the people, circumventing congress. The 99%D was a very educational process to go through - but in the end it's just going to be a piece of paper that will serve NO real purpose to effect change - other then leverage one persons personal political agenda - Good luck!
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Post by sandymiracle on Feb 11, 2012 10:32:24 GMT -5
Yep, at this point I'm pretty sure the 99% declaration, under it's current flag anyway, is dead. A new incarnation may be possible.
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Post by hendrimike on Feb 11, 2012 10:50:58 GMT -5
so we just give up the fight?! no thanks
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Post by terryreed on Feb 11, 2012 11:23:27 GMT -5
I spent a couple of hours reading the "docs" and can't believe anyone would read the different ad, pleadings, etc. and walk away thinking anything negative about Michael Pollok. In fact, on FB at Occupy Central, I kinda unloaded on whomever posted it there! I got angry about it. I was already angry at the Occupy Philly group for putting out some kind of press release about the 99%D group being 'not representative' when so many of the Occupiers in Alaska have been wanting to go to Philly on the 4th of July and participate in a national GA. In fact, there is one group that's doing nothing but preparing for it!
What the founder and original group wrote and shared inspired many of us to carry on right about the time we were giving up hope. The OWS stimulated a massive movement around the planet, and for me, and so many others, the 99% Declaration was something to plan for, a METHOD for making ALL the Occupy movements more than sit-in's.
Occupy groups got the ball rolling, and the 99%D was home base! We had a goal - make it THERE, so we could be involved in drafting a document for the US President to make changes per the People ... or resign! Or, be recalled. OR ... need I continue with the truly FINAL word that begins with an "R?"
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Post by peedropaula on Feb 11, 2012 11:48:08 GMT -5
Well, Terry, just stick with MP and you'll see soon enough what we're talking about. Or maybe you won't if you're just a of the silent member of the group. If you volunteer but refuse to act like a good little sheep and ask legitimate questions or make reasonable suggestions, you'll feel his wrath and likely be deleted from the group. Good luck.
I don't think I can be sued for telling you that - at best - he's an asshole. And since I moderate these forums, I'll give myself a warning for the use of profanity (no matter how justified).
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Post by forbesmb on Feb 11, 2012 12:54:01 GMT -5
I'm not giving up on this.
We've hit resistance... we have split in our respective ranks. This was bound to happen. We're going to have moments where it is difficult to press forward.
So, what? We just go down in a clamor of dissonant voices? We pack up our gloves, throw in the towel and step out of the ring?
No. I resist capitulating. I will not cease and desist, not with this idea still yet to be borne to fruition.
And what do I have invested in it? Nothing, short of some personal time and effort. I have not put in the work that many of the committee and Board members have.
Yet, I'm not giving up on it. I'm renewing my efforts, rallying around the cause.
Maybe I'm letting my passion rule my reason. Perhaps logic should temper my emotions.
Still, what is activism and the desire to promote change without applying liberal amounts of passion? Do we just set that aside and only take the reasonable solution of abandoning this course or do we, at the least, take the gamble that it might actually succeed?
I'm here until the end, whatever that might be.
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